The most recent podcast featuring Dr. Mudawi Ibrahim Adam, Chair of the Sudan Social Development Organization, an organization that, oddly enough, just had three of its offices
shut down by the government - from the
Committee on Conscience JERRY FOWLER: Let us talk first about a political process. There is a political process that is ongoing in the Nigerian capitol of Abuja which is basically negotiations between rebel leaders and the Sudanese government. Is that political process going to work?
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: This political process is not inclusive because not all of the artists of the conflict are involved in the talks. If this Abuja process in this composition now resulted in any kind of agreement it would be an incomplete agreement. It will be between the rebels and the government. It will not involve militias who are fighting on the ground, tribes who are fighting with the rebels on the ground. You need a kind of complete and inclusive process to take place in Darfur.
JERRY FOWLER: So basically if I understand you correctly, you are saying that there are not enough people at the table in Abuja? Not all of the interests in the conflict are represented?
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: Actually what is happening on the ground that the government is not fighting directly with the rebels; they are fighting by proxy; they are using local conflicts which is conflicts between the tribes on issues—land, other resources like water, or grazing land—and they are using these militias to fight on their behalf. These are the real parties to the conflict on the ground. Then you have people that have been displaced. There is an assumption that the rebels representing those people who are displaced and this is not true. These people—this is a very big majority in Darfur—are not brought to the negotiating table, so whatever comes out of Abuja will be between the rebels and the government of Sudan. It will not be between all Darfuris; they will not be accepting it because they have not negotiated it and they will not feel as if it is representing them.
JERRY FOWLER: One of the tactics as you have alluded to that the Sudanese government is using in Darfur and has used elsewhere—for example in the South for many years—is inflaming local conflicts, inflaming ethnic tensions. Do they even have an interest in bringing about peace in Darfur?
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: No, I do not think they are in a position to accept any kind of a peace deal in Darfur because if you look at the CPA, the CPA—
JERRY FOWLER: The CPA is the Comprehensive Peace Agreement between the government and the Southern rebels.
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: It is saying that the North is having something like seventy percent of the share of the power. Out of this is fifty-two percent going to the NCPA, which is the ruling party, the National Congress Party. Fourteen percent will be going to the other Northern position parties. If you are going to get any share for the Darfuris from the power sharing—if they are saying Darfur is going to get a share of twenty percent from the total—they are going to take it from the fifty-two percent of the National Congress, and the National Congress is not going to accept because the National Congress will be a minority in the government; they will lose power. They are maintaining power through this fifty-two percent. They are not really going to go into a real peace process which ground the different people or the different regions that are sharing power.
JERRY FOWLER: Let me ask you this then: if the government really does not have an interest in reaching an agreement is this process that you envision one that includes the government or is it Darfurians without the government even being present?
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: It should be Darfurian without the government being present. You might have government agents, but the government itself, if it is present, it will undermine the whole process because they have a history of corrupting people, and using this money, and dividing them—the same thing they are doing on the ground.
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JERRY FOWLER: There were reports of demonstrations in Khartoum against greater United Nations involvement. What does it mean in a country like Sudan—not in a country like Sudan, but in Sudan—with a dictatorship when there is a demonstration? How do those come about?
MUDAWI IBRAHIM ADAM: This is very simple. It is organized by the National Congress. It is organized by the ruling party, and it is not a big demonstration, but if you are in power you can bring people using different means. It is organized and done by the ruling party. They might name it under different names and organizations, but all people know that this is the National Congress Party.